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When I said that to Kevin a week ago, he replied: "Third-world?  *Third*-world sir?  When I picture 'third-world,' I picture starving people, swarms of flies and early-stage animal husbandry."

Sounds like Oakland to me... Ba-rump-pah!

Ok, fair enough. A Second-World country then. Basically functioning, if corrupt, government and infrastructure, and yet I do have to agree with my wife's earlier posting. It ain't no France.

Here is a list of the real stuff that makes Italy a Third Second-world country:

- Dual pricing for tourists and locals. Nothing says third-world like prices made up on-the-fly. Tourists routinely pay as much as 4.80 for a cappuccino, whereas a local standing at the bar pays 0.90. Hotels overcharge for phone calls. Sleazy waiters pad the check. And you can never, never let your guard down.

- The post office won't deliver postcards. That's right. Every guide book says that they just throw them away and recommends that you put them in an envelope if you 'really' want them delivered. The post office throws away mail. Sit on that one for a minute.

- Holding your passport at hotels. Those of you who have been to the real third-world know that this is standard practice. You check in to a hotel and give them your passport. They don't give it back until you pay at checkout. I can accept that in Uganda, East Timor and Cambodia (sorry Slick). But in Italy? Won't a credit card do? It just smacks of the distrust Italians have for tourists and (I suspect) each other.

- Cover charge at restaurants. Lame, lamer, lamest. The idea of paying a cover charge to have the privilege to sit down and buy food is absurd. If you want to rip me off, just jack up the prices to a ridiculous level so you...uh...never mind. They already did that too.

- 4 hour lunch hour. Everything--and I mean everything--shuts down at noon and reopens at...4pm. That's right: a four-hour long lunch break. Then, when they are "at work," they constantly complain and do everything possible to avoid any actual labor. And they wonder at the weakness of their economy... It's a zero-sum game, people. You get out of it what you put into it.

- Phone metered by the click. The last time I encountered this was in the old Soviet Union. When you make a phone call, you'll hear a buzz or click in the background every couple minutes. That's the sound of money, baby. Every click is about 17¢. And they ring up at wildly different rates. A 10 minute local call to a landline could cost 1Euro while the same call to a cellphone could cost 5Euro. No system. Just the constant sucking sound of Telecom Italia.

- They still think they're the Bomb. In general, Romans behave with a mix of arrogance and insecurity. They're like the player that heckles the other team but always misses the goal when it's his time to shoot. I think in the back of every Roman's mind the Coliseum is still open, Gladiators guard the city gates and all roads still lead to Rome. Newsflash! The Roman Empire has been in a steady state of decline for the past 1500 years.

So I suppose I have to say something nice so I don't completely offend all you Itali-o-philes out there. The cars are as as fast and sexy as the women. The art and architecture are magnificent. The history and legacy that surrounds you at every moment is awe-inspiring. There's no shortage of compliments to be paid to Italy and the Italians...but you've heard them all before. Admit it: Bad mouthing the place is ever so much more fun!

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I've been living in Italy for over twenty-eight years and in the early years a Swiss gentleman friend of mine told me that Italy was a Third World Country. It took me years of living there to realise that he was right. He had been living in Italy much longer than I and knew what he was talking about.
Italians have many antiquated ways they treasure dearly and this makes them backward in their mentality. Can't imagine any Italian inventing anything new or presenting humanity with anything as valuable as the Internet.

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[Jonnie]

I have been to Italy twice, most recently with 2 girlfriends to visit our mutual friend who has worked there for 2 years. I find this article to be SO TRUE! I am also Italian by my heritage, and I loved our trip BUT let me just tell you that Italy has some serious shortcomings that prevent most of us from considering it a 1st world nation, yes even those of us Italians in diaspora. Don't blame us, blame the country for it's third world ways. It becomes so clear why our ancestors left! I would also like to mention that one has to PAY to use a restroom at TERMINI station (how is that for 3rd world?) AND ROME was downright FILTHY. Garbage, grafiti, cigarette buts all over the place. I've never seen a people so "proud" of their heritage and yet deface and pollute their country in such a way... We also wouldn't trust an Italian further than any one of us could throw one... they are deceivers and liars, just remember the country that gave us Da Vinci also gave us Pinocchio.

[Giosuè]

As it stands, Italy isn't a harsh country to live in.
I'll admit, the country is a little bit behind France and Germany because it's been a dualist nation since its independence; however, this does not make it a horrible country full of degenerates.

All countries have their issues, but human nature can't be blamed on the country in which you find degenerates. I've lived in America for a little while now, and like we've read in some comments here, I don't get any good out of speaking with an accent; I tend to get cold stares, angry rebuking remarks (You're in America, speak American, goddammit).

For the love of Christ, because one can have a bad experience in Italy doesn't mean the country is horrible. There's plenty to offer to residents SUCH AS the healthcare and education. The cities are among the most beautiful in the world; even Paris is made of concrete. And, quite frankly, even your old back street tobacco shop vender can speak more than one language. I had to go a good 15 kilometers to find one person in America that spoke "a little bit of Spanish..."

No, in regard to Italy, it is not fair to even put it as a "second world coutnry."

If you're getting a cover charge at a restaurant, you are living in a country with a tourist economy that takes advantage of tourists.

...like France...
...like England...
...Like the United States...

Welcome to reality.

Cultural Differences exist:
We don't put postcards in envelopes in the USA, and they have phone services that are a bit obsolete. Same in France (respect to phone service). Who the hell uses public phones anyway? Why the hell should Italy modernize a phone service that's going under when 99% of Europe uses a cellphone.

Culture is important in Italy; this is true. When you talk, there are mannerisms that people are accostomed to, there are things one does that are considered offensive and not. Given that one of us here married an Italian, it may be understood that Italians are culturally built a certain way.

...So are Americans. I'm absolutely sick of Conservative, tea-party, anti-Catholic, cousin-fuck, mayonaise sandwich culture on this end of the atlantic.

And you know what's funny;
They still think they're the BOMB.
American Ingenuity, American Exceptionalism...

Americans had a hyper-capitalistic system that took advantage of immigrants for years, industrializing it quickly; and then took the spoils of a massive war when her competetors were all carpet bombed.

Usually, I don't like to call Americans ignorant; ignorance exists on all sides. Italians are ignorant, too. It's a reality of humanity. The French are ignorant and arrogant, the Germans tend to be ignorant and poorly understand other European cultures that "don't make cars like they do."

Many Italians live abroad because Europe as a whole has a less capitalistic system and produces less jobs yearly; for the longest time, Italy had too high of a population growth for its labor apparatus. Thus; many Italians live abroad.

This is all well and good, but when they abandon their culture and pretend they were never born in the Belpaese, it's a little... sad and unsettling.

Italians are a proud culture, and evidently, a misunderstood one.

My sincerest condolences to the person who posted the harsh story of a rape; it's terrible to hear that it happened to you in Italy, a country considered one of the safest in the world. Moreover, it's unfortunate that it happened at all.

I believe rape is the most horrible thing that one person could ever do to another.

It happens more in America than in Italy; why, I don't know. It pains me to know so many rape victims, just among many of my friends here.

Italy is culturally different from America and other countries, and they're allowed to be.

I believe in Italy, and I always have. I love my country, and both hope and work for her future.

Viva l'Italia, che non dimentichiamo mai la nostra identità neanche la nostra storia di gloria, lacrime, vittoria e libertà.

-Giosuè

[Matt]

Fantastic article and it's so true

[Claudio]

Italy is a mean country. It's really Shitaly, and I'm so ashamed to belong to this despisable nation.
P.S. for Vesna: italians are cold, mean and indifferent to each other, too.

[Vesna]

In the past, I would have been on the defence of anyone criticizing Italians,I would have said "oh, you're such an ignorant,narrow minded north American,Italians are so wonderful and cultured,you dont know anything" but after marrying an Italian and moving to Italy, all of what this guy says is dead on balls accurate. I have been here for 2 years,and am horrified to see that all of my admiration that I once had for Italian culture,has now fizzled to nothing...permanently. I have never met a more backwards,arrogant,ignorant,agressive nation of people in my whole life. I tried SOOOOOOOOOOOO hard to make Italian friends, next to impossible once they hear that accent that I'm a foreigner,the smile comes off their faces and I get automatically put into the threatening "Albanian gypsy" category eventhough I'm a born and bred north American. 2 years ago,I sacrificed my life savings in order to study in Italy,and lets say that it was the worst year of my life.The people were cold, mean,indifferent to anyone not from Italy,and the part that bothered me the most was the constant staring by Italians..good heavens, do they not have anything better to do? If they stared like that in Ny, they'd be in serious trouble! Anyhow, about 2 months into school, I got followed off the tram back to my place, by an Italian degenerate who forced himself into my bulding and elevator,and raped me in front of my apartment door. I screamed and cried and nobody came out of their apartments,and it was only about 7 pm. When I reported him to the police, I had to wait for over 4 hours in the station until they called my name, and another 3 hours to write a freaking report! How archaic is that?? Its been 2 years since this happened, and of course the police still have done nothing...Italy is just a bad country, full of narrow minded,racist,ignorant degenerates who still have a small, colonial mentality...glad to say that my time is nearly up and Im getting out of this awful country for good...

[David]

Dear asshole, you may note that Italy is ranked three spots ahead of the United Kingdom in the UN's latest Human Development Report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2009_report

"What?!" I can hear you gasp. "But they speak ENGLISH in the UK! That MUST mean they're superior, right?"

No, my friend. Having culture- and no nation in the world can boast a richer culture than Italy's- doesn't make you uncivilized; more like the other way around. As a Canadian, I've been to the United States more times than I care to mention, and American "culture" is an oxymoron. Silvio Berlusconi may be corrupt, but at least Italians don't have to pay for health care, have a very high standard of education, and don't look down on everybody who doesn't speak their language.

You're just another ignorant American who doesn't understand the world around him.

[hello]

well at least in italy we have a free health service and dont have to pay an insurence like you do!!!and besides, the year of the university costs about 1000 euros and not 40.000 dollars!!!america is sick and its for rich people!!!you suck

[marco]

I'm italian, I partly agree with you.
But you should know that Italy has much more to offer to tourists than to a resident.
That's why so many italians live abroad.

Anyway I found your comment very funny.

[marco]

Greetings from Italy!!
Ciao e a presto

[Samantha R.]

I have been living in Italy for 3 years and im sorry but EVERYTHING he said its true! And so many other things that you can only know when you live here..

[nathan Tancula]

hahahahha!

Ok I lived in Italy as an exchange student my sophomore year of highschool. When I'm there, i feel like I'm in a concrete jungle. The cities are horrible, no green what-so-ever. Yeah, great architecture and food, but that's only good for so long. Thank god that I lived in a small paese with a little bit of trees and fields because I'd suffocate in Milan "Literally" with all the smog! Did you notice how dirty the trains are? I know USA has little public transportation but nothing here in chicago is ever as dirty as a regionale train is in italy hehe. Take Euro Star lol. What's with the cellphones. talk about a rip off. In poland, I paid only 1 cent per SMS, in italy they charge u like 50 cents wtf, I was spending almost 50 euro a month on my cellphone bill and i barely used it! The only taste of red tape that I got was registering as a resident in my town, wasn't that bad... Gotta love italy though, the kids all dress great and spend their parent's money until they're 25 ahah, that's funny 'cus us DUMB americans work jobs at age 16-17 and on ahha. Italy's not horrible though, great people once you get to know them they'll show you the real them. Italian culture requires the people to put up a facade, let it be arrogant in milan or macho in Rome anyways.. the culture requires you to put up a facade when around strangers but once you're comfortable with the person, you can be yourself. and the person you see is usually a humble person full of love. I went in head first, putting up no facade and i made friends fast that way. I'm rambling on, gotta study for a math test tomorrow. good night,

VIVA ITALIA

[Scandicci]

Right on dude! I have lived in Italy off and on since 1992! I love Italy and can't seem to get enough of it. However, what you say is true. I think that is why Italians are so much fun: they are a living contradiction. As my wife says: 'Italy is the wealthiest of the third world countries.' We live here and bathe in its socialized medicine and red-tape from hell while eating cannoli, wearing sunglasses and sipping marsala.

[Third Party]

I wonder what Italy and France would become without an income from the rude tourists money?

[melanie]

This gave me a good laugh, well, more of a cringe because it is all TRUE - and all said in good humour. As for the many people writing in to disagree - take it from me, I have lived in Rome for years, I work for the Italian Government, my husband is Roman and I have never seen such blatant corruption, inefficiency, laziness, rudeness... and don't even get me started on the economy! Well done for being honest! I am sickened by the "love affair" the english and american media have with what they see as the italian way of life - all very well if you retire to your tuscan villa but for those of us living and working in squalid rome for a salary that would demean a fruit-picker it's a very different story. Bravo!

[Alex]

Italy is a very beautiful place with warmhearted people.there is always a problem with those who can't look for themselves and lack the quality to accept the truth. Perhaps he might be out of cash to even afford to drink a coffee.americans are foolish as bush.

[Neocyto]

Although your comments about Italy are rude and make you sound arrogant, some of the people that responded are obviously too sensitive.
Every country has good things and bad things, Italy is no different. If you are not ready to accept that other countries will not provide you with the comfort that you're used to at home, then you should not be traveling.
Your comment about the 4 hr lunch break was just dumb!! You cannot put down others b/c they don't have the same money hungry approach to life that we have in the U.S. I love money, I love my job, I hate resting, but will not insult those that have a different perpective about these things.

[fred]

would you not think if tourists stood at the bar for a coffee instead of sitting down they'd pay 90 cents as well?
besides, i prefere living in a 4th world country than in a credit card infested society full of arrogant feckers

[Joe McLaughlin]

Italy is an AWESOME country. But yes it has a few quirks. What country doesn’t. As an American who used to live there, I became very familiar with the quirks, some of which you describe, but grew very used to them and learned to overcome them with acceptance and LEARNING THE LANGUAGE! Yes, I would find myself arguing occasionally that I was supposed to be paying residente fees not tourista fees (there is dual pricing) and once I either showed my codice fisicale or drivers license, I was good to go. GET OUT OF THE MAIN TOURIST AREAS! You don't really have a good time until you get of the main beaten track. Wander the back alleys and roads, go to the out of the way places. The best Chinese food I ever had was just a few blocks from the Vatican! Stop in the information booths on the Autostrada and ask where the good local hotels are. They often give most excellent recommendations! Stay in Penziones instead of big name hotels. Accept the fact you are not in the USA and stop being so damn Arrogant! As some of the postings have said, our system is always the best either, it's just the one we are used to! At least the Gypsies didn't get you, be happy about that. ( I'm not kidding either) Remember to stand, not sit unless you are tired, don’t where jeans and white sneakers and a ball cap, just don't. It'd the fricken American tourist uniform! Try dressing nicely. Didn't you notice how well the locals dress? Leather shoes, slacks, a nice shirt. You get treated much better. Men of sophistication or substance are more respected. Look like it, not a bum. Well nuff said. Oh, before I forget, I LOVE riposa, we should have it in the USA. We wouldn't be so stress out all the time if we did!
Well Ciao all. And dude, get over yourself.